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Post by Simone on Jun 27, 2018 16:24:37 GMT -8
I have read the book by David Sheff and I'm so excited to see this film. The trailer dropped today! Will this earn Timothée his second Oscar nomination?
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Post by manuela on Jun 28, 2018 7:16:01 GMT -8
I have read the book too, but it's been a while so I definitely want to read it again before watching the movie. I hope this can be another chance at the Oscar for Timothée but what really matters to me is that he can prove he's the real deal, as I've been thinking since I first saw CMBYN.
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Post by Simone on Jun 28, 2018 8:00:00 GMT -8
I haven't read Nic's book yet, and I think I should. Don't know if I'll get around to reading it before I see the film though. But I enjoyed David's book. A good portion of the material served as a public service announcement about the trials and tribulations of drug addiction, and it helped explain why Nic kept falling back into his addiction. Very good book, tough to read.
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Post by manuela on Jun 28, 2018 8:03:42 GMT -8
I haven't read Nic's book yet either, but I'm definitely going to before the movie is released, because I always prefer to read the books before seeing the adaptations. I liked Beautiful Boy, even if the writing style didn't entirely work for me. It seems the books really helped people, I've seen many comments thanking Nic and David sheff since the trailer dropped. Hopefully the movie can do something like that too.
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Post by gerardian on Jun 28, 2018 17:50:13 GMT -8
This is a powerful film graphically showing the decline and fall of Nic as played by Chalamet. He almost loses everything before pulling up just in time, thanks to some loving intervention. To Chalamet's credit, he's no "beautiful junkie". When he hits the wall, he hits it hard, and the results are a tour de force of physical acting by Chalamet, based on the restructured partial cut. It's important to note the film is being extensively restructured as a whole for pacing and dramatic reasons.
There is a quite an erotic shower scene featuring rear nudity, as we saw in CMBYN. Chalamet manages to make his downward spiral palpable in this scene, as he thinks back about his previously fit and toned physique compared to the haggard, wasted body he - and another - see in the shower.
But unfortunately the decision has been made to cut a filmed scene showing Nic selling himself to men and women for drugs. That's in the book, but you won't see it in this film. Personally I wish they had "gone there" but I think they were worried about not pushing the "R" rating this film has to what some people might consider "X" territory. In conservative America, rear male nudity is acceptable in an R rated film - but not frontal, and not scenes of actual prostitution for drugs, despite the all too pervasive reality of this pathetic practice.
I think audiences will be greatly impressed, and deeply moved, by what Chalamet is able to do in this important film that will provide a powerful "teachable moment" about the dangerous and potentially lethal morass of drug addiction and an exit strategy to overcome it that doesn't involve permanent damage or an accidental overdose.
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Post by Simone on Jun 28, 2018 19:39:40 GMT -8
gerardian thanks for your thoughts about your viewing of Beautiful Boy. I heard that it had to have some extensive editing, and seeing that this is director Felix Van Groeningen's first English language film, he might have needed assistance in the flow of this American family tale. But with that all said, like we have discussed in private, it's unfortunate that for American audiences, realistic male nudity, specifically frontal male nudity, is just not well received due to immaturity (yes, that's a real part of their shyness), and an infantile patriarchal mentality about the penis. Probably as Timothée matures as an adult actor, he'll work with French and European directors in films that will allow him to breathe a bit more when it comes to realistic and authentic sex scenes. In any event, I'm sure I will enjoy this film and based on the trailer alone, I know Timmy is going to knock it out the park, especially with the really dire emotional scenes. He had to see a doctor a few times from the set because of him being underweight for the role, so he totally went method in portraying the horrors of meth addiction.
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Post by manuela on Jun 29, 2018 15:27:57 GMT -8
Personally, I don't care or need full frontal, I think most times it's unnecessary, to be honest. I don't expect this movie to be particulary gritty, if it's mostly adapted from David Sheff's book, as it seems. But I think it can still be heartwrenching and real. There are a lot of expectations for this movie and not just from Timothée's fans, but from a lot of the books' readers. I really hope this won't disappoint. I'm curious of the timeframe of the characters' life the movie will include, if it'll focus just on a short frame of time or if it'll deal with the several relapses Nic Sheff suffered.
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Post by mindy on Jul 1, 2018 3:30:10 GMT -8
gerardian, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I hope you don't mind me asking, do you think it is obvious that he had significant weight loss in the later part of the film? Losing 20 pounds is a big deal so I am surprised some audience said they didn't think his weight loss was obvious. I was also a little disappointed when I heard they did not film any scenes of Nic selling himself for drugs. When I read that Nic did that because he needed the money, and he wanted to feel beautiful and wanted, I really think it is important to include the scenes. I am not sure why they left it out because Leonardo Dicaprio had a similar scene in Basketball Diaries, though his character did it only because of the money. I read some comments from people who attended recent test screening and they again mentioned editing issues. I guess I would have to set my expectation lower because the director said he completed the editing process so I doubt he will make any major changes again. I can't wait to see his performance. I lost count of the times I watched the trailer just to hear him say "I still have a family, I want them to be proud of me." His line delivery is so good.
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Post by manuela on Jul 2, 2018 8:10:12 GMT -8
I wonder if some people don't notice the weight loss because they compare Timmy in Beautiful Boy to Timmy in CMBYN. In CMBYN he was pretty thin but that was one year before he filmed Beautiful Boy and in that year he definitely matured physically and also gained a little weight, in my opinion. We should compare his body in BB to his body right before he started filming. Also, 20 pounds on someone who's already skinny might have resulted mostly in muscle loss? There isn't much fat to lose to begin with. I think it is quite visible in some scenes anyway. The moment when he is in his mother's arms in the trailer, you can see his face is gaunt and sickly looking. Also, I've seen some people saying he doesn't look bad as an addict should, but if you look with attention, in the scene in the diner at the beginning his teeth have been yellowed and his lips are all chafed.
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Post by sm117 on Jul 2, 2018 17:59:30 GMT -8
So many divergent reactions to the screenings for this film! The trailer had the hallmarks of an emotional, Oscar-friendly film. My only concern was the editing of the first father/son scene in the trailer. It was a bit choppy - I am chalking that up to editing for the sake of the trailer's narrative. Timothee's scene on the phone in the car was powerful. Does anyone know if the editing is now complete?
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Post by mindy on Jul 3, 2018 5:54:23 GMT -8
So many divergent reactions to the screenings for this film! The trailer had the hallmarks of an emotional, Oscar-friendly film. My only concern was the editing of the first father/son scene in the trailer. It was a bit choppy - I am chalking that up to editing for the sake of the trailer's narrative. Timothee's scene on the phone in the car was powerful. Does anyone know if the editing is now complete? I think it is more or less complete. The director said the editing of the film took 7 months in total, during which the movie was completely recut multiple times. Felix Van Groeningen: "In Hollywood mag je niet laten merken dat je twijfelt, anders ben je dood"I am sure many frequent Awardswatch. There is one member in Beautiful Boy thread who said there were a lot of problems when shooting the movie and it wasn't a very pleasant filming experience for him. You can DM her/him if you want to know more. I know who is her/his source so I know the information is reliable.
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Post by Simone on Jul 3, 2018 7:12:18 GMT -8
I initially heard about the flow of the film and the editing problems from screenings many months ago. Some of the people seem to revel in the problems some were having with the flow of the film. But that's what screenings are for, to gauge test audience reactions to the film, which is an editing work in progress, and make editorial adjustments based on feedback. So although maybe the film isn't 100% perfect (what film is?) and won't win any editing awards, that's ok. I'll be more focused on Timmy's performance and the overall presentation of the film, and I'm sure I'll be happy with it.
BTW, I don't visit Awards Watch anymore, it's just a nasty place that is unprofessionally managed and where divergent beliefs are attacked and often supported by the admin there. I used to be a member for over 5 years, and just couldn't stand the toxic film nerd/wannabe film critic testosterone there.
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Post by kj on Jul 3, 2018 13:10:23 GMT -8
Can you share details about what was disturbing.
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Post by mindy on Jul 3, 2018 17:45:05 GMT -8
I think it is more or less complete. The director said the editing of the film took 7 months in total, during which the movie was completely recut multiple times. Felix Van Groeningen: "In Hollywood mag je niet laten merken dat je twijfelt, anders ben je dood"I am sure many frequent Awardswatch. There is one member in Beautiful Boy thread who said there were a lot of problems when shooting the movie and it wasn't a very pleasant filming experience for him. You can DM her/him if you want to know more. I know who is her/his source so I know the information is reliable. Who is their source? I ask because I got the message from them and the info is disturbing. I compared the information with the interviews where Timotheé mentions working on BB and it does seem to line up which makes it even more unacceptable that he was treated like that! Happy Sad Confused - "Making it was fucking nuts and it was surreal and your mind knows you're acting but when you drop 20 pounds and you're under a rain machine for 8 takes in a t-shirt, your body doesn't know you're acting" GQ UK - "I just did another film where one of the first things they did was not clothed and I was reminded that I did have a certain anxiety about that" I was told not to tell the source so I am afraid I cannot say anything.
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Post by manuela on Jul 4, 2018 5:31:03 GMT -8
I'm always wary of this kind of rumours and sources, so I don't want to speculate. I'll say that even if filming BB wasn't as enjoyable for him as CMBYN was, it doesn't mean he doesn't want it to succeed and doesn't care about it. He's always seemed pretty excited about the movie coming out when he talked about it and he seems to have a good relationship with Carell, who praised him and was very sweet with Timmy during CinemaCon, and with the director, with whom he was photographed hanging out in LA a few months ago. Personally, I don't care much for behind the scenes stuff, we can't ever know the truth, so I'm just waiting for the movie to come out.
What do you guys think about fall Festivals? Where do you think it's more probable it will be shown? Venice, Tiff, others? More than one, like CMBYN?
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