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Post by mindy on Jul 4, 2018 7:54:32 GMT -8
Actually, I don't find the information about the BTS disturbing. I think some problems were more or less expected when a translator was involved.
In his interview, Felix said he always doubt himself when he received comments. When he had doubts, he just restarts. Although he claimed its more during writing and editing stages, I am sure it happened during filming process too. Timmy did say some scenes required a lot of takes.
I hope they will go to TIFF. I hope he gets some well-deserved rest before he begins the promotion for BB.
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Post by manuela on Jul 4, 2018 8:19:44 GMT -8
I remember those photos with the director earlier this year. I think some people are making these bts stuff more dramatic than it was. I'm sure no set is completely problem free.
What do you think about the movie being maybe sugar-coated? Most reactions to the trailers seem very positive, people are really affected by it. But I've seen some people saying it's not dark enough. I feel like if the movie stays close to the book, it won't be very dark, at least visually. I expect it to be heartwrenching, emotionally difficut, but I don't think you need to necessarily have very dark, gritty scenes to portray the drama of a family dealing with addiction.
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Post by Simone on Jul 4, 2018 8:45:13 GMT -8
Well since I don't live in Michigan anymore, I can't attend the Toronto Int'l Film Festival. I went there from 2004-2016, every year. I think BB will show there, and now that the LA Film Festival shifted from June to late September, smack dab between Toronto and NY, I'm hoping BB screens here in Hollywood too. I will be volunteering at the LA Film Festival, and I'll be attending as a patron. I don't know about Telluride, which is before TIFF.
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Post by k1017 on Jul 4, 2018 9:45:29 GMT -8
I agree that BB is poised to be more emotionally impactful than indie drug-addiction gritty. From reading the father's book, this is exactly the point. The drug epidemic yields so much collateral damage - parents, siblings, friends, significant others all go through hell. If this film continues the public discussion about how to prevent and treat addiction, then awards are the least important aspect to me. As a fan, I hope Timmy get's strong reviews that lead to continued interesting opportunities in film and on stage.
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Post by tealover on Jul 8, 2018 23:55:56 GMT -8
But unfortunately the decision has been made to cut a filmed scene showing Nic selling himself to men and women for drugs. That's in the book, but you won't see it in this film. Personally I wish they had "gone there" but I think they were worried about not pushing the "R" rating this film has to what some people might consider "X" territory. In conservative America, rear male nudity is acceptable in an R rated film - but not frontal, and not scenes of actual prostitution for drugs, despite the all too pervasive reality of this pathetic practice. So the prostitution scene was shot but deleted, right? I read Tweak and I knew prostitution played a critical role in Nic's whole journey. His recovery was only possible because he began to understand how badly he treated himself and the moment he realized it with the help of intervention was cathartic, powerful and beautiful. If they cut the prostitution part, I'm afraid the moment of self awakening is also gone or at least watered down. I assume you are from the production side, judging from your post. Do you think the loss of this scene has a big impact on the message the story tries to deliver or the final cut is already powerful enough? Is it possible that they can still keep a little hint of it? |
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Post by Simone on Jul 9, 2018 6:50:47 GMT -8
But unfortunately the decision has been made to cut a filmed scene showing Nic selling himself to men and women for drugs. That's in the book, but you won't see it in this film. Personally I wish they had "gone there" but I think they were worried about not pushing the "R" rating this film has to what some people might consider "X" territory. In conservative America, rear male nudity is acceptable in an R rated film - but not frontal, and not scenes of actual prostitution for drugs, despite the all too pervasive reality of this pathetic practice. So the prostitution scene was shot but deleted, right? I read Tweak and I knew prostitution played a critical role in Nic's whole journey. His recovery was only possible because he began to understand how badly he treated himself and the moment he realized it with the help of intervention was cathartic, powerful and beautiful. If they cut the prostitution part, I'm afraid the moment of self awakening is also gone or at least watered down. I assume you are from the production side, judging from your post. Do you think the loss of this scene has a big impact on the message the story tries to deliver or the final cut is already powerful enough? Is it possible that they can still keep a little hint of it? You raise a key point. We all have an understanding of just what a dire vicious circle it is to be a drug addict and fall back into that habit time and time again. But with Nic, what we need to see is what was the final straw, what was the primary motive for him to stop, how low did he go before he truly saw how reckless and harming to his body, mind and soul it was by being addicted to meth. My thoughts are that the imagery of Timmy/Nic selling himself to men for a fix, regardless of how common that practice is in reality of drug addicted men, this is still a film that must be seen by as wide an audience as possible and perhaps studio heads nixed covering that, or the director didn't find value in depicting such a scene, however brief or implied. And remember, Timothée's most famous character fell in love with an older man and there was ignorant controversy about that. So having him portray another character, less than a year later, being a victim/prey of older men using his character in a sexual manner, is an issue Amazon probably wanted to avoid. |
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Post by Simone on Jul 9, 2018 12:38:08 GMT -8
It sounds like you don't have much faith in Beautiful Boy earning some Oscar nominations.
I've been in private communications this morning about Ben is Back and I'm concerned about the timing of another drug addiction story involving a young man poised for Oscar season. Daddy directing a movie with an A-list actress who is thirsty for another Oscar is going to be competition for sure.
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Post by Simone on Jul 9, 2018 13:05:05 GMT -8
Ok, I'll DM you to help calm your nerves. LOL!
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Post by k1017 on Jul 9, 2018 13:49:01 GMT -8
While LH plays a recovering addict in Ben is Back, the movie seems more like a thriller, than an examination of substance abuse and family dynamics. If Hedges excels in the role, then there are likely 3 under 25 actors in play for BSA (Chalamet, Hedges and Wolff). That's if LH can credibly campaign for supporting in Ben is Back (he has to go lead for Boy Erased). On the plus side for Timothee, he has plenty of good will with the academy and early word on BB is that his performance is great though the film itself may be uneven. Amazon has to really push and campaign for him. One more thing- I know I am a biased Chalamet fan, so I viewed the DP30 for Hedges/2016, Timothee/2017 and Alex Wolff/2018. Bar none, Timothee delivers on charm and intelligence in these 1:1 interviews. This is part of his appeal and may help with the nomination process, beyond what I anticipate to be a powerful performance in BB. Regardless, BB focuses on an important story that impacts millions of people.
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Post by k1017 on Jul 9, 2018 13:50:39 GMT -8
The academy is not going to nominate 3 guys under 25, so it is going to be a competitive race. I will go see Boy Erased and Ben is Back to view Hedges, but I just can't bring myself to see Wolff's movie - demonic stuff is just not for me.
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Post by Simone on Jul 9, 2018 14:26:55 GMT -8
Excellent assessment k1017, thank you. Since I'm a voting member of Film Independent, it's just a habit for me to watch as many films that are in contention. So I'll have to watch both of Lucas' films to measure the competition. And for everyone else who doesn't know about Alex Wolff, he was the son in Hereditary. While he was good, I don't know if his performance is a cup of tea for AMPAS, but maybe for Film Independent Awards. The academy's bias against young actors is pathetic and discriminatory, so yes, it would be difficult to see all three in the supporting category come Oscar time. With a preferable push for Lucas in Boy Erased in Lead, that would be his best shot because otherwise, two young actors portraying young men with drug problems in supporting would either cancel each other out, or be more in favor for Chalamet because of the good will he has developed from the previous season of being screwed over a bridesmaid across the board with the guilds. Yes, I'm still pissed, but, time heals. LOL! The best thing going for Timmy is that he's the oldest, at 22, of the three. And since the 'industry' doesn't like the boys young, this could help Timmy as he's the oldest of the three. |
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Post by manuela on Jul 9, 2018 14:52:14 GMT -8
I read the news about Ben Is Back but I think it's too soon to know if he's really going to be competition for Timothée in the supporting actor category. There are no info from test screenings or people who read the screenplay, nor stills or trailer. It might be a good film or it might be entirely forgettable. On the contrary, we already know Timmy got more than positive reviews from test screenings. Also, I know the movies sound similar with both young men being addicted to drugs, but I agree with who said above that Ben Is Back seems more like a thriller and the emphasis seems to be on Julia Robert's character. I guess we have to wait and see. But if both movies are good, I think Beautiful Boy might have the upper hand because of it being a real story.
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Post by k1017 on Jul 9, 2018 14:55:32 GMT -8
After Little Women, a nice role with a Tiffany grade cast, it may be good for TC to do a more contemporary and edgy film. A Safdie Brothers/Dolan type of movie would be a great enrichment to his filmography.🙂
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Post by Simone on Jul 9, 2018 18:16:04 GMT -8
LOL! ok tea drinkers  , this is a public forum and you're free to express yourselves, but, let's not focus too much on Lucas and let's certainly not bash him. Let's be positive and support Timothée. It's so clear that he's the superior actor that doesn't need nepotism to get hired and get ahead in Hollywood.  |
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Post by k1017 on Jul 9, 2018 18:29:15 GMT -8
Agreed, and it actually a very good and refreshing thing for film to have a strong crop of talented young actors. While TC's talent, range and charm will continue to distinguish him from his peers, good performances across the board are good for cinema.
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, this is a public forum and you're free to express yourselves, but, let's not focus too much on Lucas and let's certainly not bash him. Let's be positive and support Timothée. It's so clear that he's the superior actor that doesn't need nepotism to get hired and get ahead in Hollywood. 