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Post by darkingenue on Jan 24, 2019 18:59:11 GMT -8
I'm so happy that Rolling Stone film critic, Peter Travers slammed the Academy for snubbing Timmy for Best Supporting actor. They did this on purpose out of spite, and Peter called them out for it. Thank you Peter! Click on the video to listen to him go off on AMPAS. I was on my way to my workout, and I saw this! I know he's interviewed him before, but to hear that from him was astonishing and vindicating. Mind you, he's not the only critic to say something about this (if not in so many words), but you know something is wrong with the system when even the critics think this is messed up!
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Post by Simone on Jan 25, 2019 13:32:39 GMT -8
Now that the voting period has ended at noon today PST for the SAG Awards, which will broadcast on Sunday evening, I have some final thoughts on the Oscar snub for Timmy this week, and I'll put it to rest. Like many of you, I have had this simmering annoyance since Tuesday morning, and although the shock has worn off, the disbelief and anger is still there. But surely that will dissipate soon enough too. This just demonstrates how much emotional investment we had in Timmy's success and believing that he deserves to be honored with accolades for his exceptional work in Beautiful Boy. As there are still two awards presentations that Timmy has been rightfully nominated in, the SAG and BAFTA, I have entertained the thought that maybe one of these groups will do the right thing and honor Timmy with a Best Supporting award.
It could go two ways: Timmy gained sympathy from voters due to what most people see as an egregious snub for the Oscar nom and they voted for him; or it can compel voters to stay the course and simply divert their votes to one of the actors who made the Oscar nomination cut. I'm hoping that it's the former and that after two seasons of being such a good sport in the Oscar season award shuffle, Timothée can have one chance to win in a competing category and go up on a stage and thank all the people who have helped him get this far in his career. It would make a great narrative on the Monday morning trades after the award show(s), and it would be excellent PR for both the award body group, and for Timmy (and it would take away some of the pain from the Oscar snub).I'll leave you with this. Does an organization truly deserve our respect if it's nomination process is so petty, and is not as organic and democratic as we once thought it was, but instead, is easily manipulated in the final hours based on age old biases against men who look like this?Who dress like this?And who was born in this year?Whatever the true sordid reasons are for the gross and insulting Oscar snub for Timothée Chalamet is, I trust that Team Chalamet will hire consultants in the future to better assist in presenting Timmy in a light that is more comfortable to the old bastards guarding the Oscars. They do not dislike him, I think they really respect what he has accomplished in his short career. But they have the power to stop someone's trajectory to win the most coveted honor by the snap of a finger if that person does not measure up to the unwritten rule standards that are unfairly applied to men who look just like Timothée Chalamet.
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Post by deej on Jan 26, 2019 8:35:23 GMT -8
I personally think that what hurt Timmy's chances at an Oscar nom is that there were a lot of movies to watch that the voters only prioritize which films are in the Best Picture conversation and those that are in contention in multiple categories. They're just too lazy. If only Steve Carell was also in the running for Best Actor, most of them will take some time to see Beautiful Boy too. I guess that's the reason why Melissa McCarthy and Richard E. Grant still got in even if CYEFM is not nominated in Best Picture. This laziness by the members of the Academy is also the reason why Toni Collette and Ethan Hawke were snubbed. Hopefully, the Academy will change their system and will not allow those who haven't seen ALL the movies to cast their votes. They should do their part as members of the Academy to watch ALL the screeners even if the films are not a possible Best Picture contender or not a box office hit. Besides, the main point of giving these awards is to celebrate the brilliant works of the film makers, actors, writers and others so why would they only watch those that they want to see. Give everyone a fighting chance.
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Post by Simone on Jan 26, 2019 9:16:35 GMT -8
In essence, I agree with you Deej, but that is the "official" standard excuse. Many actors and actresses have been the sole nominee for good and very good films that failed to garner any other nomination. Timothée and Amazon Studios was ahead of the curve in promoting Beautiful Boy and it was seen by voters in the industry. They had countless private industry screenings in LA and NY, and in London. All of those screenings lead to him being nominated in the four precursors, and getting the Hollywood Film Award and a back to back honor at Palm Springs. And now suddenly, people are all "confused" about the 'boy' named films, and not seeing BB? Hell no, this was all deliberate. They did not want a 23 year old boy to have a back to back nomination and be positioned to actually win it after giving a stellar performance in a film that otherwise should have also received a Best Song nod, at the very, very least. That's why Armie wasn't nominated last year for CMBYN because it would have strengthen Timmy's nom by having Armie, or Michael for that matter, nominated.
Oscar nomination process is a chess game, a pre-calibrated chess game by TPTB who set it up to increase the odds of the preferred nominee to eventually win. Timmy's age is one of several factors against him. When a man like Sam Elliott, who is 51 years OLDER than Timmy, is getting his first nomination, there's no way AMPAS was going to have a boy beat a beloved veteran in a film that has earned hundreds of millions of dollars. So by designed, Timmy got deliberately excluded to remove a cute young threat, and pave way for a more 'respectable' industry winner.
People not seeing the film and getting confused about which 'boy' film to see is the excuse narrative to cover up the fact that Timmy was purposefully denied a nomination. It's as simple as that, and this is why I got so angry about it. When you have been a fan of the Oscars since 1992, you see patterns in the chaos, and I've seen too much Oscar snubbing bullshit to recognize a deliberate act of derailment when I see one.
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Post by Teenca on Jan 26, 2019 9:36:31 GMT -8
I have ambivalent feelings about Oscar. I think it's still an important recognition of a performance (film, etc.), but these petty decisions are mere "politics", and have nothing to do with art and talent. No wonder it's struggling for "life". Snubbing a great performance, direction, or movie is a terrible harm. Recognition of a popular film (now Black Panther) can't balance, moreover it causes further weakens of Oscar's renown. It's a bad policy. Oscar wasn't nominated Timmy probably because of the reasons mentioned and detailed above, and don't want to recognize his amazing performance in BB. Right. Oscar isn't the measure of his incredible talent. Timmy has wonderful years ahead and I wish the best for him! I'm happy for seeing his performances and achievements.
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Post by darkingenue on Jan 26, 2019 19:31:29 GMT -8
Here is my conflict with this: As much as I want Timmy to be nominated for - and eventually win - an Oscar, I feel like so many hopes are pinned on this one ideal. It doesn't solidify your art or talent; awards are just pieces of metal that will either hang on mantels or become doorstoppers. I understand why it is important, though - it's a piece of history. You're in the books. It proves you've made it and you've been accepted.
At some point, I hope he realizes this doesn't have to be the goal. I don't want him to get so wrapped up in the idea of having a major award such as an Oscar that he ends up compromising his work or his principles. Then again, I don't know him at all; I don't know what he's thinking. To me, it's all a game.
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Post by deej on Jan 27, 2019 2:14:41 GMT -8
In essence, I agree with you Deej, but that is the "official" standard excuse. Many actors and actresses have been the sole nominee for good and very good films that failed to garner any other nomination. Timothée and Amazon Studios was ahead of the curve in promoting Beautiful Boy and it was seen by voters in the industry. They had countless private industry screenings in LA and NY, and in London. All of those screenings lead to him being nominated in the four precursors, and getting the Hollywood Film Award and a back to back honor at Palm Springs. And now suddenly, people are all "confused" about the 'boy' named films, and not seeing BB? Hell no, this was all deliberate. They did not want a 23 year old boy to have a back to back nomination and be positioned to actually win it after giving a stellar performance in a film that otherwise should have also received a Best Song nod, at the very, very least. That's why Armie wasn't nominated last year for CMBYN because it would have strengthen Timmy's nom by having Armie, or Michael for that matter, nominated. Oscar nomination process is a chess game, a pre-calibrated chess game by TPTB who set it up to increase the odds of the preferred nominee to eventually win. Timmy's age is one of several factors against him. When a man like Sam Elliott, who is 51 years OLDER than Timmy, is getting his first nomination, there's no way AMPAS was going to have a boy beat a beloved veteran in a film that has earned hundreds of millions of dollars. So by designed, Timmy got deliberately excluded to remove a cute young threat, and pave way for a more 'respectable' industry winner. People not seeing the film and getting confused about which 'boy' film to see is the excuse narrative to cover up the fact that Timmy was purposefully denied a nomination. It's as simple as that, and this is why I got so angry about it. When you have been a fan of the Oscars since 1992, you see patterns in the chaos, and I've seen too much Oscar snubbing bullshit to recognize a deliberate act of derailment when I see one. Yes. You also have a point but we also can't deny the fact that these voters will not devote much of their time watching all these screeners. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them will only watch these films a few days before voting closes. So, if they could only squeeze in seven movies in their schedules and they have for example ten movies to see, surely they will choose those that are in contention in a number of categories. They'll probably choose the likes of Bohemian Rhapsody, A Star Is Born, Green Book, Vice, Blackkklansman, Roma and Black Panther over Beautiful Boy or Hereditary or First Man or First Reformed or Widows and so on and so on. We can't just disregard that because it's the sad reality. And that needs to change. If they can't fulfill their duties of watching all the screeners sent to them, better not vote.
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Post by Simone on Jan 27, 2019 8:50:41 GMT -8
You raise a solid but confirmed point deej. This controversy of members cherry picking which films to watch is as old as Oscar itself. All Academy and SAG and other industry screening in LA for BB were sold out. Voters saw the movie. This is easily the contrived default "reason" for the snub, but I stand by my belief that it was also deliberate because they are not ready to honor a person they believe is just a boy and who has plenty of time to continue to prove himself worthy.
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Post by Simone on Jan 27, 2019 19:15:28 GMT -8
Timmy BFF co-star Armie says what we all know about how deeply entrenched the Oscars are in politics:
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Post by NOSCAR FAN on Feb 4, 2019 9:20:30 GMT -8
If one considers the many ICONIC performers who were never Oscar recipients/nominees, why has this silly trophy continued to have meaning? I suggest that someone follow in the footsteps of Paul Newman admirers, who feted him with a NOSCAR (at Oscar's Deli in Westport, CT) when Newman lost his first Oscar for "Somebody Up There Likes Me".
A NOSCARNOM awards ceremony would be mighty interesting this year! Watch the Independent Spirit Awards instead of the boring OSCAR show; that's as close as you'll get to the heart of the matter!
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Post by Simone on Feb 4, 2019 9:54:02 GMT -8
If one considers the many ICONIC performers who were never Oscar recipients/nominees, why has this silly trophy continued to have meaning? I suggest that someone follow in the footsteps of Paul Newman admirers, who feted him with a NOSCAR (at Oscar's Deli in Westport, CT) when Newman lost his first Oscar for "Somebody Up There Likes Me".
A NOSCARNOM awards ceremony would be mighty interesting this year! Watch the Independent Spirit Awards instead of the boring OSCAR show; that's as close as you'll get to the heart of the matter! The Oscars continue to have meaning because the industry has had 90 years of building up the award's prestige, even at the height of most knowing that the nomination and winning process is a bought and paid for sham. I'm a member of Film Independent and I just voted for the Spirit Awards, and the nomination process is much, much less political there and the nominations truly come from the heart of Film Independent. What's key in its success is that voting members WANT to be members and take seriously their responsibilities to view all films and then vote. I'll be attending a member's only screening party for the Spirit Awards and I'm very much looking forward to it. Independent films have more compassionate fans and those in the industry that support FI, truly support its mission which is to promote independent films. As I wrote above, "Does an organization truly deserve our respect if it's nomination process is so petty, and is not as organic and democratic as we once thought it was,...", I stand by my beliefs in that politics have taken precedence in deciding who is nominated, and who eventually wins. I think the Oscars have long been tarnished, and they proved it again this year with several remarkably notable snubs. There are heavy politics at play with Roma and Vice, and to a lesser extent, Black Panther being nominated. One is very pro-Mexico, a finger to the trump administration and its pursuit in building a racist wall; Vice is a finger at the last republican administration that was ruthless and destructive; and Black Panther is the first superhero film, also one starring a mostly black cast, to receive an Oscar nomination for Best Picture, coincidentally after the academy's failed attempt to create a separate category for popular films like Black Panther. A film like Beautiful Boy was too sad, and starring an excellent young actor whom the academy KNOWS is very talented, but in their minds, he's too damn young, and too hot too soon regardless of the merit to nominate him.
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Post by NOSCAR FAN on Feb 4, 2019 10:29:37 GMT -8
"Beautiful Boy", because of Chalamet's performance and tireless promotion, did better at the box office than either "Ben is Back" or "Boy Erased", but all of these films were under the traditional Oscar voter's radar. These movies weren't watched because their themes are "too serious", and they weren't traditionally "entertaining" in the true Hollywood melodramatic tradition i.e.,"Leaving Las Vegas", "Days of Wine and Roses", etc.
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Post by Simone on Feb 4, 2019 10:39:39 GMT -8
His tireless promotion of the film is what made me 100% he was on the in to be nominated. For him to not be nominated after all that promotion is cruel and insulting. No other supporting actor promoted their films like Timmy.
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Post by Teenca on Feb 4, 2019 10:47:14 GMT -8
I think he promoted BB so much (or other films) because he considers the subject important. Nominations are "the icing on the cake".
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Post by NOSCAR FAN on Feb 4, 2019 10:50:34 GMT -8
Speaking of "under watched" Chalamet performances, Miss Stevens' box office was under $5,000! This film was my first exposure to Chalamet...shades of James Dean...free downloads are available on Cafe' Movie for anyone wanting to watch this fine Julia Hart film.
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